tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4760967123218143470.post6718362545875827003..comments2023-10-08T05:13:18.117-07:00Comments on wikifray: Off TopicWikiFrayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07420433870074751645noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4760967123218143470.post-29026408630131998822007-02-06T16:11:00.000-08:002007-02-06T16:11:00.000-08:00twiff: I agree that climatology is fascinating. Al...twiff: I agree that climatology is fascinating. All those interactive systems. I’m not that hopeful about reducing CO2 emissions. The effects of anything we start today won’t be seen for 50 years. How much do we care? How much are we willing to give up? We all think reducing reliance on oil is a good idea, but economically it’s a case of “everyone wants to go to heaven, but <a href=http://fuelfocus.nrcan.gc.ca/fact_sheets/oilmarket_e.cfm>no one wants to die.”</a>.<br /><br />(re: above comment – 11,000 years, obviously)Dawn Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05878588090733942606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4760967123218143470.post-87213709124658515952007-02-06T14:44:00.000-08:002007-02-06T14:44:00.000-08:00caves and hydroponics. fun!
climate is extraordi...caves and hydroponics. fun!<br /><br />climate is extraordinarily interesting because it's so complex and intricate. what irks me is those who bring up other factors that affect climate and say "why is everyone focusing on CO2 and ignoring <i>this</i>?" the short answer is: they aren't ignoring it. CO2 is the varible that a) is changing and b) we can affect. other factors are either not as significant (water vapor), out of are hands (tectonic activity), or variant depending on what else changes (albedo). <br /><br />reforestation (large scale) would likely be a decent stop-gap. reducing emissions is the goal. i could all be for naught (particularly as volcanic activity is unpredictable). but that's not reason enough to not behave ourselves.twifferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07019975906761715327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4760967123218143470.post-7582859320536904122007-02-06T14:17:00.000-08:002007-02-06T14:17:00.000-08:00blah blah blah blah...something about an anomolous...blah blah blah blah...something about an anomolous 11,000 of stable climate during which time humans learned to farm and stay put and build things, and maybe that's all done now, or soon, and perhaps we just need to figure out how to live in a world where the weather can dramatically affect food and shelter and things like that.<br /><br /><a href=http://fray.slate.com/?id=3936&m=13216802>(5) </a> <a href=http://fray.slate.com/?id=3936&m=15403292>links</a> <a href=http://fray.slate.com/?id=3936&m=15429446>with</a><a href=http://fray.slate.com/?id=3936&m=15489831>out</a> <a href=http://fray.slate.com/?id=3936&m=15502723>comment</a>Dawn Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05878588090733942606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4760967123218143470.post-79441125036340541352007-02-06T14:13:00.000-08:002007-02-06T14:13:00.000-08:00daveto: bah. movies are better
arch: pangaea i...daveto: bah. <a href="http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/geology/anim1.html">movies</a> are <a href="http://www.uky.edu/AS/Geology/webdogs/plates/pangaea-3atonce.html">better</a><br /><br />arch: pangaea is not gondwanaland. and t-shirts are much better than bumper stickers. sheesh.twifferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07019975906761715327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4760967123218143470.post-7902566764318204712007-02-06T14:05:00.000-08:002007-02-06T14:05:00.000-08:00You guys are a little behind on the continental dr...You guys are a little <a href="http://members.tripod.com/~paleoartisans/RG_Bumpersticker.html">behind</a> on the continental drift.Archaeopteryxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10627784327758008867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4760967123218143470.post-83843289008859971662007-02-06T11:40:00.000-08:002007-02-06T11:40:00.000-08:00twif and all: Now that I think about it, [Pause] I...twif and all: Now that I think about it, [<a href="http://geology.com/pangea.htm">Pause</a>] I don't want to just stop it. That means that they/it got away with something. I'd like to reverse it. Cretaceous in my lifetime, with the ultimate goal of Permian.<br /><br />on the oil companies: I would say to them: "Just shut the fuck up and sell your fucking gas. It's not your problem, and as long as you're not telling us bold-faced lies you're on safe ground. For now. We gotta figure out this thing ourselves, and when we do we'll let you know."davetohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06493709720452933454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4760967123218143470.post-74634081938405482592007-02-06T11:28:00.000-08:002007-02-06T11:28:00.000-08:00daveto: i think we need t-shirts for the cause. ...daveto: i think we need t-shirts for the cause. Stop Continental Drift Now!<br /><br />rundeep: was the big guns i was thinking of, like exxon. could just be a matter of perception, but it seems like their reaction was along the lines of: shit! democrats in the majority! dust off the climate change remediation plan we developed 15 years ago!twifferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07019975906761715327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4760967123218143470.post-79615089399625931762007-02-06T10:18:00.001-08:002007-02-06T10:18:00.001-08:00Schad: I saw the first one and cringed. (And chuck...Schad: I saw the first one and cringed. (And chuckled.)<br /><br />I mean it's just wrong to even think about pulling resources off the really important stuff like, well, to name just two, halting continental drift and rescuing our galaxy from its inexorable slide into Andromeda.davetohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06493709720452933454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4760967123218143470.post-77115992390156832642007-02-06T10:18:00.000-08:002007-02-06T10:18:00.000-08:00twif: the marketplace has taken global warming mor...twif: the marketplace has taken global warming more seriously than the GOP for a long time. Nearly two years ago, I first noticed that the much-maligned hedge fund and private equity communities started discussing it. For one, because there are a lot of funds that trade based on "weather events" and energy, and two, because every hedge fund trades on volatility, and weather and energy events have a real effect on vol. Now granted the agendas differ; some funds are buying up nuclear power facilities, some cleaning technologies for older energy production methods, but the point is that the smart money has long ago assumed the truth of global warming. <br /><br />The corporations who are involved in producing things which contribute to this state of affairs may indeed be motivated a bit more by politics. Or by fear of an activist takeover.rundeephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13268692799782942178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4760967123218143470.post-49839638070684223402007-02-06T09:39:00.000-08:002007-02-06T09:39:00.000-08:00that's the other catch. we just don't know what w...that's the other catch. we just don't know what will happen. desert? ice? not really all that much? <br /><br />not to mention that our species can easily absorb the loss of a billion individuals, with no detriment to our likelihood of survial as whole. almost frightening to think of it in those terms, but there it is.<br /><br />arguements can be made that humans, as a part of nature, are thus a natural cause. but that's playing with technicalities. the current climate, as it stands, is rather comfortable for us. when it changes, it may very well be less so. i think it behooves us to mitigate any detrimental impact we may have, such as decreasing CO2 emissions and deforestation. beyond what we are mostly certain is bad, we should really fuck around though. the system is intricate enough that no matter what we do, something will get fucked. <br /><br />alarmism is, i think, as damaging as dismissal. both are extremes and clinging to them keeps anything from being discussed reasonably.twifferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07019975906761715327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4760967123218143470.post-84531364774815554082007-02-06T08:38:00.000-08:002007-02-06T08:38:00.000-08:00Thrasymachus is an idiot:
Here and here.
At some...Thrasymachus is an idiot:<br /><br /><a href="http://fray.slate.com/?id=3936&m=18787311">Here</a> and <a href="http://fray.slate.com/?id=3936&m=18787575">here</a>.<br /><br />At some point, I'm pretty sure that I won't be the only one who gets this.Michael Daunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17882263663318068988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4760967123218143470.post-52956050514465802822007-02-05T18:53:00.000-08:002007-02-05T18:53:00.000-08:00Ender - I like it, maybe not as much as Cool Iris,...Ender - I like it, maybe not as much as Cool Iris, which opens things big enough so that you can actually read the content, but that's Firefox-specific(?). I like that I can roll over comments in the feed and see where they're from.Dawn Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05878588090733942606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4760967123218143470.post-38960936550672807022007-02-05T18:06:00.000-08:002007-02-05T18:06:00.000-08:00Your design input please.
Go to http://symbnt.blog...Your design input please.<br />Go to http://symbnt.blogspot.com/<br /><br />Hover your mouse over some links. I think applying the Snap preview to the Network Feed only over here might be a nice addition.Edwardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01779339791093367175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4760967123218143470.post-82014137078820756412007-02-05T13:43:00.000-08:002007-02-05T13:43:00.000-08:00if i could link a single RSA token to all the site...if i could link a single RSA token to all the sites i need to access, that would be alright. but to have a seperate token for each would be ridiculous.<br /><br />as for climate change, one of the curious things about resistance to reducing carbon dioxide emissions is that, even if it doesn't help, it's still a good idea to reduce them. there is no reason to be pumping CO2 into the atmosphere. it's certainly not helping anything (well, it might be helping forests grow, but we tend to cut those down, so kind of a wash there). discussing it with people like b-a is frustrating, because they brandish ignorance as a weapon. she displayed an inability to distinguish between local and global events, how averages work and a tendency to just repeat talking points. such as "why does no one mention water vapor?" there are answers to these talking points, but those who wish to ignore them, do so. and so they persist. for instance, the oft cited fact that water vapor is a better greenhouse gas is misleading. it's factored in. thing is, the atmosphere has a saturation point for water vapor. it can only hold so much before it precipitates out. water vapor, therefore, is not a driving force; it can enhance warming, as warmer air can hold more water vapor. however, this still gets bandied about because some meterologist (dr. gray, or something like that. i forget) mentioned how atmospheric water vapor levels were about half current levels during the last glaciation. well, so? if the atmosphere is, on average, colder, one would expect that water vapor levels would be lower. it is more likely an effect, rather than a cause.<br /><br />and so on. there are only so many times one can mention this and have it ignored before one just gives up.<br /><br />i do, however, find it interesting that corporate action to address global warming seems to have coincided with the democrats gaining a majority in congress.twifferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07019975906761715327noreply@blogger.com